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<p>[A]&nbsp; John Thorn:</p>
<p>[A]&nbsp; John Thorn:</p>
<p>"Abner Doubleday</p>
<p>"Abner Doubleday</p>
<p>has become a joke among us baseball folks. "He didn't invent baseball; baseball invented him." This letterhead ,from 1862 ,may give pause even to hardened skeptics&gt;"</p>
<p>has become a joke among us baseball folks. "He didn't invent baseball; baseball invented him." This letterhead, from 1862 ,may give pause even to hardened skeptics."</p>
<p>[ B]David Block:</p>
<p>[ B]David Block:</p>
<p><span>The 1862 letters of Lester Winslow, of the 76th NY, at the National Archives, feature stationary printed with the heading "Camp Doubleday -- 76th New York" and show soldiers playing a&nbsp; bat-ball game. On this David Block writes:</span></p>
<p><span>The 1862 letters of Lester Winslow, of the 76th NY, at the National Archives, feature stationary printed with the heading "Camp Doubleday -- 76th New York" and show soldiers playing a&nbsp; bat-ball game. On this David Block writes:</span></p>

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Ballplaying Featured on 1862 Letterhead for Camp Doubleday

Salience Peripheral
Tags Drawing, Famous
Location Washington DC or Brooklyn NY
City/State/Country: Washington or Brooklyn, DC or NY, United States
Immediacy of Report Contemporary
Age of Players Adult
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[A]  John Thorn:

"Abner Doubleday

has become a joke among us baseball folks. "He didn't invent baseball; baseball invented him." This letterhead, from 1862 ,may give pause even to hardened skeptics."

[ B]David Block:

The 1862 letters of Lester Winslow, of the 76th NY, at the National Archives, feature stationary printed with the heading "Camp Doubleday -- 76th New York" and show soldiers playing a  bat-ball game. On this David Block writes:

"In the foreground of the illustration two soldiers face each other with bats, one striking a ball. Since no other players are involved, the only game that seems to correlate to the image is, in fact, drive ball.  If not for Abner Doubleday's association, we would pay this little heed, but it is a matter of curiosity, if not amusement, to place baseball's legendary noninventor in such close proximity to a game involving a bat and ball."  

Sources

 

A.  John Thorn, tweet on 2/2/22.  John also notes that the game depicted does not resemble base ball, or wicket, or cricket.

B. David Block, Baseball before We Knew It (U Nebraska, 2005), page 198. See also the brief Protoball Glossary entry on Drive Ball.

Warning

This coincidence is not taken as evidence that Abner Doubleday "invented" base ball.

Comment

 

Camp Doubleday is described in an 1896 source as "just outside Brooklyn city limits."  See:

https://museum.dmna.ny.gov/unit-history/artillery/5th-heavy-artillery-regiment/prison-pens-south; Other sources locate it on Long Island, NY.

A third source locates Camp Doubleday in Northwest Washington DC:  https://www.northamericanforts.com/East/dc.html#NW

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David Block suggests the drawing (see below: game is shown near the image's center) shows Drive Ball, a fungo game.  See  Baseball Before We Knew It , page 198.  See also the sketchy Protoball Glossary entry on Drive Ball.

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One auction house in 2015 claimed  "This is perhaps the very first piece of American stationery depicting Union soldiers playing baseball. Amazingly, this lithograph has it all by showing Union soldiers at play in Camp Doubleday which, of course, was named after the game's creator Abner Doubleday!"

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From John Thorn, 2/22/22: "Lithographer is Louis N. Rosenthal of Philadelphia. Born 1824."  See https://digital.librarycompany.org/islandora/object/digitool%3A79709

 

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Query

So, was Abner Doubleday actually connected to the District of Columbia DC Army facility?  And/or the downstate NY military facility?

Is it clear why someone would create such a letterhead?

Can we find a fuller description of drive ball?

There were actually two Camp Doubledays?  Why?  Which one is pictured on the letterhead?

How does Protoball give a source for John's Tweet for users who want to see it?

 

 

 

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Source Image
Camp dday ltrhd.jpg
Submitted by Bruce Allardice (date?); John Thorn (2022)
Submission Note Tweet, 2/2/22



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