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|Location=Washington DC | |Location=Washington DC or Brooklyn NY | ||
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|Coordinates=38. | |Coordinates=38.9328037, -76.9863578 | ||
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<p>Camp Doubleday is described in an 1896 source as "just outside Brooklyn city limits." </p> | <p>Camp Doubleday is described in an 1896 source as "just outside Brooklyn city limits." </p> | ||
<p>https://museum.dmna.ny.gov/unit-history/artillery/5th-heavy-artillery-regiment/prison-pens-south; Other sources locate it on Long Island, NY.</p> | <p>https://museum.dmna.ny.gov/unit-history/artillery/5th-heavy-artillery-regiment/prison-pens-south; Other sources locate it on Long Island, NY.</p> | ||
<p> | <p>A third source locates Camp Doubleday in Northwest Washington DC: https://www.northamericanforts.com/East/dc.html#NW</p> | ||
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<p>David Block suggests the drawing (below: game is shown in an adjacent field) shows Drive Ball, a fungo game: see <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baseball Before We Knew It</span> , page 198. See also [[Drive Ball]].</p> | <p>David Block suggests the drawing (below: game is shown in an adjacent field) shows Drive Ball, a fungo game: see <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baseball Before We Knew It</span> , page 198. See also [[Drive Ball]].</p> | ||
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<p>Is it clear why someone would create such a letterhead?</p> | <p>Is it clear why someone would create such a letterhead?</p> | ||
<p>Can we find a fuller description of drive Ball?</p> | <p>Can we find a fuller description of drive Ball?</p> | ||
<p>There were actually two Camp Doubledays?</p> | <p>There were actually two Camp Doubledays? Why? Which one is pitured on the letterhead?</p> | ||
<p>How does Protoball give a source for John's Tweet?</p> | <p>How does Protoball give a source for John's Tweet?</p> | ||
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Ballplaying Featured on 1862 Letterhead for Camp Doubleday
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| Tags | Drawing, FamousDrawing, Famous | ||||
| Location | Washington DC or Brooklyn NYWashington DC or Brooklyn NY | ||||
| City/State/Country: | Washington Or Brooklyn, DC, United States | ||||
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| Immediacy of Report | Contemporary | ||||
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A. John Thorn:
B. David Block: "In the foreground of the illustration two soldiers face each other with bats, one striking a ball. Since no other players are involved, the only game that seems to correlate to the image is, in fact, drive ball. If not for Abner Doubleday's association, we would pay this little heed, but it is a matter of curiosity, if not amusement, to place baseball's legendary noninventor in such close proximity to a game involving a bat and ball." | ||||
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A. John Thorn, Tweet on 2/2/22. John also notes that the game depicted does not resemble base ball, or wicket, or cricket. B. David Block, Baseball before We Knew It (U Nebraska, 2005), page 198. See also brief Protoball entry on Drive Ball. | ||||
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Camp Doubleday is described in an 1896 source as "just outside Brooklyn city limits." https://museum.dmna.ny.gov/unit-history/artillery/5th-heavy-artillery-regiment/prison-pens-south; Other sources locate it on Long Island, NY. A third source locates Camp Doubleday in Northwest Washington DC: https://www.northamericanforts.com/East/dc.html#NW
David Block suggests the drawing (below: game is shown in an adjacent field) shows Drive Ball, a fungo game: see Baseball Before We Knew It , page 198. See also Drive Ball.
One auction house in 2015 claimed "This is perhaps the very first piece of American stationery depicting Union soldiers playing baseball. Amazingly, this lithograph has it all by showing Union soldiers at play in Camp Doubleday which, of course, was named after the game's creator Abner Doubleday!"
From John Thorn, 2/22/22: "Lithographer is Louis N. Rosenthal of Philadelphia. Born 1824." See https://digital.librarycompany.org/islandora/object/digitool%3A79709 Edit with form to add a comment | ||||
| Query | So, was Abner Doubleday actually connected to this DC Army facility? And/or the downstate NY facility? Is it clear why someone would create such a letterhead? Can we find a fuller description of drive Ball? There were actually two Camp Doubledays? Why? Which one is pitured on the letterhead? How does Protoball give a source for John's Tweet?
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| Submitted by | Bruce Allardice; John Thorn (2022) | ||||
| Submission Note | Tweet, 2/2/22 | ||||
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1862.104 Ballplaying Featured on 1862 Letterhead for Camp Doubleday"
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