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1845.35 "Old Game of Base" Planned -- New York vs. Brooklyn
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"The Old Game of Base Revived -- There will be a game of Base come off on MONDAY, October 6th, between eight New York players and eight of Brooklyn, on the U.S.C. Club ground. The ame will commence at 11 o'clock, weather permitting; if not, the first fair day. The following are the Brooklyn players: John Hunt, Edward Hardy, John Hyne, William Sharp, Theodore Foman, John Waley, Stephen Swift, Samuel Myers."
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New-York Atlas, October 5, 1845
Comment:
John Thorn, 1/31/2023: "That baseball was regarded as an old game, even in New York City, is attested to by this ad:" Richard Hershberger, 2/1/2023: "Yes, it is striking how many early citations for baseball explicitly refer to it as an old game. This continues well into the New York game era. I take this at face value. Contemporary observers of the rise of baseball to cultural prominence regarded this not as a new game distinct from the old one, but a version of the traditional game. Take this seriously and it changes our understanding of that rise to cultural prominence."
John Thorn, email of 2/3/2023: 'This game, scheduled for the 6th, was postponed until played on the 11th; no box score exists. On U.S.C.C. Grounds -- The Union Star Cricket Club Grounds were in Brooklyn."
Note: As of February 2023, the Chronology shows a "Game of Base" played at 1720c.4, {played on a beach in Maine}, at 1828.19, {played at Harvard University}, and at 1845.4 {possibly played by modern rules?}. There is also the 1805 game of 'base' at 1805.4, which David Block sees as, by 60-40 odds, being a form of base ball.
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1845
1868.8 Throwback ('Old-Fashioned') Game Planned in Rochester
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"BASE BALL ITEMS. A number of the old fashioned men are to have an old-fashioned game of base ball in [Jones?] Square in a few days. The respective sides have been chosen and a most enjoyable time is expected."
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The [Rochester] Daily Union and Advertiser, August 28, 1868.
Comment:
As of mid 2023, the Protoball Chronology includes about 40 entries alluding to Rochester NY from 1825 to 1868. Nearly half have been generously contributed by crack Rochester digger Priscilla Astifan. Most of the games reported appear to be base ball-like games, but 8 refer to cricket, wicket and trap ball. Ten entries refer to soldierly play during the Civil War.
Priscilla reported on 5/18/2023: "I haven't yet found any notice in the available newspapers of the game being played or not. But at least the intention was interesting."
Query:
Are other post-War throwback games seen in the area?
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1868
1868.10 Oswego plays Old Fashioned Base Ball as their grandfathers played
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The Utica Daily Observer, Aug. 17, 1868 reports a game of "Old Fashioned Base Ball" that was played, 15 a side, to 100 runs, with one side winning 100-73. The newspaper calls it "base ball as it was played in our grand-fathers days."
Sources: The Utica Daily Observer, Aug. 17, 1868
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1868