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|Year=1855
|Year=1855
|Year Number=5
|Year Number=5
|Headline=Seymour Research Note: "7 Clubs Organized"  [But We Now Count 28]
|Headline=Seymour Research Note: "7 Clubs Organized"  [But We Now Know of 30]
|Salience=2
|Salience=2
|Country=US
|Location=Greater New York City,
|Country=United States
|State=NY, NJ
|State=NY, NJ
|City=Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens
|City=Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens
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<p>He cites Robert Weaver, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Amusements and Sports</span> (Greenwood, 1939), page 98 ff.</p>
<p>He cites Robert Weaver, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Amusements and Sports</span> (Greenwood, 1939), page 98 ff.</p>
|Comment=<p>&nbsp;<strong>Note:</strong> Seymour did not name the seven listed clubs; drat.</p>
|Comment=<p>&nbsp;<strong>Note:</strong> Seymour did not name the seven listed clubs; drat.</p>
<p>As of mid-2013, Protoball lists a total of&nbsp;29 clubs operating in the NYC area&nbsp;New York State:&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>ten</em></span> were in Brooklyn (Astoria, Atlantic, Bedford, Columbia, Continental, Eckford, Excelsior, Harmony, Putnam, and Washington), <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>five</em></span> in Manhattan (Baltic, Eagle, Empire, Gotham, and Knickerbocker&nbsp;-- all but the Baltic playing one or more games at Hoboken), <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>one</em></span> (Atlantic of Jamaica) in Queens, and&nbsp;<span style="text-decoration: underline;">two</span> (Union, Young America) in Morrisania [Bronx].&nbsp; See [[<a href="Clubs_in_NY">http://protoball.org/Clubs_in_NY</a>]]&nbsp; In addition, <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">eleven </span></em>clubs&nbsp; are listed in New Jersey (Empire, Excelsior, Fear Not, Newark Senior, Newark Junior, Oriental-cum-Olympic, Pavonia, Palisades, Pioneer, St. John, and Washington). See[[<a href="Clubs_in_NJ">http://protoball.org/Clubs_in_NJ</a>]].&nbsp;</p>
<p>As of mid-2013, Protoball lists a total of&nbsp;30 clubs operating in the NYC area&nbsp;New York State:&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>nine</em></span> were in Brooklyn (Atlantic, Bedford, Columbia, Continental, Eckford, Excelsior, Harmony, Putnam, and Washington), <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>five</em></span> in Manhattan (Baltic, Eagle, Empire, Gotham, and Knickerbocker&nbsp;-- all but the Baltic playing one or more games at Hoboken), <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>two</em></span> (Atlantic of Jamaica, Astoria) in Queens, and&nbsp;<span style="text-decoration: underline;">two</span> (Union, Young America) in Morrisania [Bronx].&nbsp; See [[<a href="Clubs_in_NY">http://protoball.org/Clubs_in_NY</a>]]&nbsp; In addition, <em>twelve</em> clubs&nbsp;are listed in New Jersey (Empire, Excelsior, Fear Not, Newark Senior, Newark Junior, Oriental-cum-Olympic, Pavonia, Palisades, Pioneer, St. John, and Washington). See[[<a href="Clubs_in_NJ">http://protoball.org/Clubs_in_NJ</a>]].&nbsp;</p>
<p>These clubs played in about 35 reported&nbsp;match games; over fifteen reports of intramural play are also known.&nbsp; There are reports of only one junior club (in NJ) and match play by one "second nine" (a Knickerbocker match game).</p>
<p>Corrections and additions are welcome.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Corrections and additions are welcome.&nbsp;</p>
|Submitted by=Craig Waff, John Zinn, Richard Hershberger
|Submitted by=Craig Waff, John Zinn, Richard Hershberger
|Submission Note=Numerous communiques
|Submission Note=Numerous communiques through 5/9/2013.
|Reviewed=Yes
|Reviewed=Yes
|Has Supplemental Text=No
|Has Supplemental Text=No
|Coordinates=40.0583238, -74.4056612
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Seymour Research Note: "7 Clubs Organized" [But We Now Know of 30]

Salience Noteworthy
Location Greater New York City
City/State/Country: Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, NY, NJ, United States
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Text

"1855 -- seven clubs organized.  In 1856 four more."

Sources

Per Seymour, Harold - Notes in the Seymour Collection at Cornell University, Kroch Library Department of Rare and Manuscript Collections, collection 4809. 

He cites Robert Weaver, Amusements and Sports (Greenwood, 1939), page 98 ff.

Comment

 Note: Seymour did not name the seven listed clubs; drat.

As of mid-2013, Protoball lists a total of 30 clubs operating in the NYC area New York State:  nine were in Brooklyn (Atlantic, Bedford, Columbia, Continental, Eckford, Excelsior, Harmony, Putnam, and Washington), five in Manhattan (Baltic, Eagle, Empire, Gotham, and Knickerbocker -- all but the Baltic playing one or more games at Hoboken), two (Atlantic of Jamaica, Astoria) in Queens, and two (Union, Young America) in Morrisania [Bronx].  See [[http://protoball.org/Clubs_in_NY]]  In addition, twelve clubs are listed in New Jersey (Empire, Excelsior, Fear Not, Newark Senior, Newark Junior, Oriental-cum-Olympic, Pavonia, Palisades, Pioneer, St. John, and Washington). See[[http://protoball.org/Clubs_in_NJ]]. 

These clubs played in about 35 reported match games; over fifteen reports of intramural play are also known.  There are reports of only one junior club (in NJ) and match play by one "second nine" (a Knickerbocker match game).

Corrections and additions are welcome. 

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Submitted by Craig Waff, John Zinn, Richard Hershberger
Submission Note Numerous communiques through 5/9/2013.



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