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<p>Critics of the game had long insisted that low-scoring games were indicated play of higher quality.</p>  +
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<p>Curry attended school in Lincolnton, GA 1833, 1835-37, and the Willingdon Academy in SC in 1834.</p>  +
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<p>Custis Lee, General Lee's son, had served on Lee's staff during the war. General Smith was superintendent at VMI. The flags referred to were probably foul-line flags used to mark the foul lines on fields not enclosed.</p>  +
<p>Cutting is listed as a member of the Class of 1871, and thus probably had little direct knowledge of early campus sports.  His impressions to round ball and perhaps wicket may have been relayed informally from older persons on campus.</p>  +
<p>D. P. Hopkins and Benjamin Franklin Ezell (1839 MS - 1913 TX) were members of Norris' Frontier Battalion which in March 1862 was stationed at/near Kerrville, TX. The Hopkins diary was published in the San Antonio Express, 1-13-1918. The March 15, 1862 entry (on page 23 of the Express) mentions this game, and mentions that the troops made their own ball out of yarn socks. [ba]</p>  +
<p>Damon added: "[[Aipuni]], the Hawaiians called it, or rounders, perhaps because the bat had a larger rounder end.t was a a forerunner of baseball, but the broad, heavy bat was held close to thee ground."</p>  +
<p>Danforth, born in 1822, became a judge. Williamstown MA is in the NW corner of the commonwealth, and lies about 35 miles E of Albany NY.</p>  +
<p>Dansville NY (2010 population about 4700) is about 40 miles S of Rochester in western NY. Per the Dansville Historical Society, the facility in question was a water cure (hydropathy) center called <span>Our Home on the Hillside.</span></p>  +
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<p>Date is approximate.</p>  +
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<p>Date not given, 8/20, put in arbitrarily article says Ionic team won by 13 runs.</p>  +
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<p>David Block (BBWKI, page 183; see also his 19CBB advice, below) notes that Cooke was in correspondence with her cousin Jane Austen in 1798, when both were evidently writing novels containing references to base-ball. Also submitted to Protoball 8/19/06 by Ian Maun.</p> <p>Cooke, like Austen, did seem to believe that readers in the early 1800s might be familiar with base- ball.</p>  +
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<p>David Block [<span>Baseball Before We Knew It</span>, page 303 (note 1)] writes that Piccione’s identification of <em>seker-hemat </em>with baseball is “apparently speculative in nature.”</p>  +
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<p>David Block explains, 2/27/2008: "Clearly, the writer had curling confused with ice hockey, which was itself an embryonic sport that the time." Or maybe he confused it with ice-hurling, which actually employs a ball. </p> <p>From Richard Hershberger, 12/8/09: "What makes this so interesting is that the response speaks of "bass ball" played on ice. This is a decade before such games were commonly reported, suggesting that the [later] practice by organized clubs was borrowed from older, informal play on ice."</p>  +
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<p>David Block in Pastime Lost posits that "pize-ball" and "tut-ball" were regional names for English baseball. I would toss in that "pize-ball" may well be a rounded-down form of dialectical "pizin-ball" i.e. poison-ball, which calls to mind the French <em>la balle empoisonnee</em> or Poison Ball: a very similar game where, again, the ball was swatted with the hand. --W C Hicklin</p> <p>From Gomme, p. 45:</p> <p>"Pize Ball</p> <p>Sides are picked ; as, for example, six on one side and six on the other, and three or four marks or tuts are fixed in a field. Six go out to field, as in cricket, and one of these</p> <p>throws the ball to one of those who remain "at home," and the one "at home" strikes or pizes it with his hand. After pizing it he runs to one of the " tuts," but if before he can get to the " tut " he is struck with the ball by one of those in the field, he is said to be bumt^ or out. In that case the other side go out to field — ^Addy*s Sheffield Glossary. See " Rounders."</p>  +
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<p>David Block observes: "<span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-size: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">the sentence describing the boy's skill at taking evasive action when threatened by soaking seems significant to me. I don't recall ever seeing this skill discussed before, and, although long obsolete, it must have stood as one of the more valuable tools of the base runner in the era of soaking/plugging ." </span> </p>  +
<p>David Block reports that these rules are generic, not restricted to one club. </p> <p>This may be the first publication specifically devoted to base ball.</p>  +
<p>David Block's forthcoming 2019 book may address the rules of English Base-Ball in this period.</p>  +
<p>David Block, 5/3/2021, on the idea that ballplaying clubs were though to be extinct in 1837:  "Not quite extinct."</p> <p>Tom Gilbert, 5/4/2021: "We knew -- largely indirectly -- that there were adult bb clubs and a thriving bb scene in NYC in the 1830s and probably earlier, but it is great to see confirmation, and by a contemporary source. This also underlines the importance of Stevens's Elysian Fields in helping to preserve the incipient sport from being snuffed out by rapid urban development, in a sort of incubator.</p> <div>(And the connection between the gymnastics movement and the baseball movement is closer than might appear. We can identify Knickerbocker bbc club members, Excelsiors and others who exercised at NYC and Brooklyn gyms, including I believe Fuller's)."</div> <div> </div> <div>Stephen Katz, (19CBB posting 5/4/2021) points out that ironically, 1837 is also the year claimed for the establishment of the Gothams.  See Wheaton letter at [[1837.1]]</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <p> </p>  +
<p>David Block, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baseball Before We Knew It</span>, page 188, adds that it is unusual among chapbooks as "more space and detail are devoted to "playing ball" than to cricket, which at the time was a more established game."  </p> <p>While the text does not explicitly mention or show base-running, David Block thinks of this as an early account of English base ball. </p>  +
<p>David also feels that a new rule appeared in the 1848 list that a runner cannot score a run on a force out for the third out. David Block posting to 19CBB, 1/5/2006.</p>  +