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|Sources=<p>John Thorn, FB Posting, 3/1/2022. The announcement of the event appears in the <em>New York Herald</em> on February 8, 1844.</p> | |Sources=<p>John Thorn, FB Posting, 3/1/2022. The announcement of the event appears in the <em>New York Herald</em> on February 8, 1844.</p> | ||
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|Comment=<p>[1] Another candidate as first baseball card is a | |Comment=<p>[1] Another candidate as first baseball card is a photo of Sam Wright (with a cricket bat) and his son Harry, evidently used as on a souvenir ticket to a 1866 benefit for the Wrights. </p> | ||
<p>Voigt writes "To finance the affair, a 25-cent admission charge was asked, and all comers were also encouraged to part with an extra 25 cents for a souvenir ticket . . . . Wright was more interested in his cash cut, which came to $29.65." David Vincent Voigt, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">American Baseball</span> (University of Oklahoma Press, 1966), p. 28.</p> | <p>Voigt writes "To finance the affair, a 25-cent admission charge was asked, and all comers were also encouraged to part with an extra 25 cents for a souvenir ticket . . . . Wright was more interested in his cash cut, which came to $29.65." David Vincent Voigt, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">American Baseball</span> (University of Oklahoma Press, 1966), p. 28.</p> | ||
<p>John points out that this event can be mainly viewed as a cricket event. Three games were planned as part of the affair, and two were cricket games. A base ball game was to follow, but it was rained out.</p> | <p>John Thorn points out that this event can be mainly viewed as a cricket event. Three games were planned as part of the affair, and two were cricket games. A base ball game was to follow, but it was rained out.</p> | ||
<p>[2] Gary Passamonte observes: "This debate has raged on for many years. I believe the 1886 Old Judge N167 set would be the first undisputed group of baseball cards. All earlier possibilities have detractors with good points." </p> | <p>[2] Gary Passamonte observes: "This ["first base ball card"] debate has raged on for many years. I believe the 1886 Old Judge N167 set would be the first undisputed group of baseball cards. All earlier possibilities have detractors with good points." </p> | ||
<p>[3] For more on the Magnolia Club, see his 2011 article at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/magnolia-ball-club-predates-knickerbocker-af50771cd24b" target="_blank">https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/magnolia-ball-club-predates-knickerbocker-af50771cd24b</a>. In John's <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baseball in the Garden of Eden</span> (Simon and Shuster, 2011), pp 89-95, he describes his 2007 discovery of the club -- and the card. "[The ticket] cost a dollar , and, given its enamel-coated card stock and its commissioned rather than stock imagery, was likely intended to be saved as a memento of the event. The baseball scene on the card reveals three bases with stakes (not wickets), eight men in the field, a pitcher with an underarm delivery, possibly base-stealing . . . . This is, from all appearances, the original Knickerbocker game, and that of the New York Base Ball Club. . . . This ticket was the first depiction of men playing baseball in America, and it may be, depending upon one's taxonomic conventions, the first baseball card. </p> | <p>[3] For more on the Magnolia Club, see his 2011 article at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/magnolia-ball-club-predates-knickerbocker-af50771cd24b" target="_blank">https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/magnolia-ball-club-predates-knickerbocker-af50771cd24b</a>. In John's <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baseball in the Garden of Eden</span> (Simon and Shuster, 2011), pp 89-95, he describes his 2007 discovery of the club -- and the card. "[The ticket] cost a dollar , and, given its enamel-coated card stock and its commissioned rather than stock imagery, was likely intended to be saved as a memento of the event. The baseball scene on the card reveals three bases with stakes (not wickets), eight men in the field, a pitcher with an underarm delivery, possibly base-stealing . . . . This is, from all appearances, the original Knickerbocker game, and that of the New York Base Ball Club. . . . This ticket was the first depiction of men playing baseball in America, and it may be, depending upon one's taxonomic conventions, the first baseball card. </p> | ||
<p> </p> | <p> </p> | ||
|Query=<p>Is it time to | |Query=<p>Is it time to define "baseball card" a bit more narrowly in declaring a first?? </p> | ||
|Source Image=Magnolia Club ticket 1844 | |Source Image=Magnolia Club ticket 1844.jpeg | ||
|External Number= | |External Number= | ||
|Submitted by=John Thorn | |Submitted by=John Thorn | ||
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The First Baseball Card, Arguably?
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| Tags | Antedated Firsts, Ball in the CultureAntedated Firsts, Ball in the Culture |
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| City/State/Country: | New York, NY, United States |
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| Text | "What's the first baseball card? (I say it's the invitation to the Magnolia Club's First Annual Ball ball in February 1844.)"
[Image to be added below, once Protoball gets help with this task. The Magnolia Club card/ticket appears on the right side in the image.] |
| Sources | John Thorn, FB Posting, 3/1/2022. The announcement of the event appears in the New York Herald on February 8, 1844. |
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| Comment | [1] Another candidate as first baseball card is a photo of Sam Wright (with a cricket bat) and his son Harry, evidently used as on a souvenir ticket to a 1866 benefit for the Wrights. Voigt writes "To finance the affair, a 25-cent admission charge was asked, and all comers were also encouraged to part with an extra 25 cents for a souvenir ticket . . . . Wright was more interested in his cash cut, which came to $29.65." David Vincent Voigt, American Baseball (University of Oklahoma Press, 1966), p. 28. John Thorn points out that this event can be mainly viewed as a cricket event. Three games were planned as part of the affair, and two were cricket games. A base ball game was to follow, but it was rained out. [2] Gary Passamonte observes: "This ["first base ball card"] debate has raged on for many years. I believe the 1886 Old Judge N167 set would be the first undisputed group of baseball cards. All earlier possibilities have detractors with good points." [3] For more on the Magnolia Club, see his 2011 article at https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/magnolia-ball-club-predates-knickerbocker-af50771cd24b. In John's Baseball in the Garden of Eden (Simon and Shuster, 2011), pp 89-95, he describes his 2007 discovery of the club -- and the card. "[The ticket] cost a dollar , and, given its enamel-coated card stock and its commissioned rather than stock imagery, was likely intended to be saved as a memento of the event. The baseball scene on the card reveals three bases with stakes (not wickets), eight men in the field, a pitcher with an underarm delivery, possibly base-stealing . . . . This is, from all appearances, the original Knickerbocker game, and that of the New York Base Ball Club. . . . This ticket was the first depiction of men playing baseball in America, and it may be, depending upon one's taxonomic conventions, the first baseball card. Edit with form to add a comment |
| Query | Is it time to define "baseball card" a bit more narrowly in declaring a first?? Edit with form to add a query |
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| Submitted by | John Thorn |
| Submission Note | FB posting of 3/1/2022. |
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1844.20 The First Baseball Card, Arguably?"
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