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|Year=1872
|Year=1872
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|Year Number=1
|Year Number=1
|Headline=Prince Bismarck Takes in a Ball Game in Berlin
|Headline=Chadwick Wants Pitching Rules Changed
|Salience=3
|Salience=1
|Tags=Famous,  
|Tags=Base Ball Stratagems,  
|Country=Germany
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|Country=United States
|City=Berlin
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|Game=Baseball
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|City=New York
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|Game=Base Ball,
|Immediacy of Report=Contemporary
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|Age of Players=Adult
|Text=<p>From John Thorn's&nbsp;<strong><em>Our</em></strong><em> Game</em>, forwarded 11/17/20:</p>
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|Sources=<p><em>New York Clipper,</em> February 17, 1872:&nbsp;</p>
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|Comment=<p><span><span>Richard Hershberger summarizes, (FB posting, 2/17/2022):</span></span></p>
<h1 id="2c6c" class="graf graf--h3 graf--leading graf--title">When Bismarck Went to the Ball&nbsp;Game</h1>
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<p><span><span>"150 years ago in baseball: Chadwick advocating a loosening of the pitch delivery rules. This will happen, but the timing will be complicated, and a subject for another day. Today we look at Chad's argument.</span><br /><br /><span>His claim is that pitchers have been routinely violating the delivery rules since Creighton's day, over a decade earlier. He makes the argument that the rules should be brought into alignment with reality.</span><br /><br /><span>This argument is reasonable on its face, but very peculiar coming from Chadwick. First off, his discussion about the elbow and the wrist is partially off point. There was an ongoing discussion in cricket whether the wrist was involved in a "throw." The eventual consensus was that it is not, allowing for spin bowling. Baseball arrived at the same conclusion, and in fact had five years earlier. The 1867 rules added language defining what was a "throw," discussing the elbow but with no mention of the wrist. Chadwick was on the rules committee that recommended this, yet here he is writing as if he did not know the rule.</span><br /><br /><span>It gets worse. He argues that pitchers have been illegally throwing the ball for over a decade, but he never thought to mention this before this year, despite having the bully pulpit as the rules guy published in multiple venues, and the cricket background to understand the issue. And we have to figure that he was one of the two or three persons who heard Lillywhite's comment. This is,, so far as I know, the earliest mention of that comment, here thirteen years later (Chad having misremembered that the cricket visit was in 1859). Yet only know does he tell us about it.</span><br /><br /><span>What changed? This being Chad, he might had sat up in the middle of the night, turned to his wife, said "Gadzooks! They are throwing the ball!" and ran with it from there. This doesn't seem to match with any of his usual ideological priors. It seems pretty random. This might also seem like a trivial discussion of an obscure obsolete rule, but it in fact will be hugely important to the development the game, opening the door to modern overhand and curve ball pitching. More on this later."&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<div class="aspectRatioPlaceholder-fill"><em class="markup--em markup--p-em">This story comes to me via Paul H.D. Kaplan, Professor of Art History, State University of New York, Purchase, and author of a great new article on the subject of baseball sculpture, which fascinates me; I encourage you to read it (</em><a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="http://journalpanorama.org/marmorean-ballplayer-sheriff-john-mcnamee-of-brooklyn-and-his-sculptural-career-in-florence/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" data-href="http://journalpanorama.org/marmorean-ballplayer-sheriff-john-mcnamee-of-brooklyn-and-his-sculptural-career-in-florence/"><em class="markup--em markup--p-em">http://journalpanorama.org/marmorean-ballplayer-sheriff-john-mcnamee-of-brooklyn-and-his-sculptural-career-in-florence/</em></a><a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://mlbmail.mlb.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=Jhsv_T2MuvzDrrXdhCyzB_tQzq_eHqxeLlVHCAga7MAO6H1TVizVCA..&amp;URL=http%3a%2f%2fjournalpanorama.org%2fmarmorean-ballplayer-sheriff-john-mcnamee-of-brooklyn-and-his-sculptural-career-in-florence%2f" rel="noopener" target="_blank" data-href="https://mlbmail.mlb.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=Jhsv_T2MuvzDrrXdhCyzB_tQzq_eHqxeLlVHCAga7MAO6H1TVizVCA..&amp;URL=http%3a%2f%2fjournalpanorama.org%2fmarmorean-ballplayer-sheriff-john-mcnamee-of-brooklyn-and-his-sculptural-career-in-florence%2f"><em class="markup--em markup--p-em">).</em></a></div>
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<p id="314e" class="graf graf--p graf--hasDropCapModel graf--hasDropCap graf-after--p"><span class="graf-dropCap">W</span>hile poking around in a now forgotten (and not yet digitized) American weekly newspaper published in Paris and London, <em class="markup--em markup--p-em">The American Register</em>, beginning in the 1860s, Kaplan found &ldquo;another interesting piece about early transatlantic baseball, that as far as I can tell hasn&rsquo;t appeared in modern scholarship.&rdquo;</p>
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<p id="62aa" class="graf graf--p graf-after--p"><strong class="markup--strong markup--p-strong"><em class="markup--em markup--p-em">The American Register, April 13, 1872, p. 3:</em></strong></p>
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<p id="9b54" class="graf graf--p graf--startsWithDoubleQuote graf-after--p">&ldquo;Base Ball in Berlin&rdquo; from our own correspondent. Berlin April 7. &ldquo;With the return of spring and sunshine has come a revival of the interest so universally manifested by Americans, whether at home or abroad, in their great national game &mdash; base ball. An occasional game at the Hippodrome &mdash; a large field, situated between Berlin and Charlottenburg, which his Imperial Highness, the Crown Prince of Prussia, has kindly accorded as a ball ground &mdash; finally resulted in a match, which was played on Tuesday afternoon last, in the presence of a large throng of spectators. Prince Bismarck and son, Gen. Vogel von Falkenstein, and many officers of the staff attended.&rdquo;</p>
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<p id="5a58" class="graf graf--p graf-after--p">The piece then goes on to describe one ball hit so well it went 300&ndash;400 meters [!] and hit the horse of an officer; the horse is said to have thought it was a French bullet and reared. There is also a lot about organizing other games in Germany. (Josh Chetwynd, in his <em class="markup--em markup--p-em">Baseball in Europe</em>, dates the earliest game in Germany to 1909.) I just love the idea of Bismarck showing up at this game. <em class="markup--em markup--p-em">[Note: Bruce Allardice cites, at Protoball.org, a game played in Dresden on July 14, 1869, between two clubs composed of Americans, mostly students. &mdash; jt]</em></p>
|Submitted by=Richard Hershberger
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|Submission Note=FB posting, 2/17/2022
<p id="02ee" class="graf graf--p graf-after--p"><em class="markup--em markup--p-em">Schlagball, a primordial form of long ball, may date to the middle ages, yet a national schlagball championship was played as recently as 1954. For more, see: </em><a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="Schlagball" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" data-href="http://protoball.org/Schlagball"><em class="markup--em markup--p-em">http://protoball.org/Schlagball</em></a><em class="markup--em markup--p-em">. But the game that Otto von Bismarck viewed was neither schlagball nor das Englische Base-ball; it was good old (really, not so old) American baseball.</em></p>
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|Sources=<p><strong><em>Our Game</em></strong>, John Thorn, November 2017.</p>
|Comment=<p>For more on Bruce Allardice's find on the 1869 game, see&nbsp;[[Union_v_American_in_Dresden_on_14_July_1869]]&nbsp;</p>
<p>For more on the earliest base ball in Germany, see [[Germany]].&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>For more on the German game of schlagball, including Bill Hicklin's note on its final national presence, see [[schlagball]].&nbsp;</p>
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Richard Hershberger summarizes, (FB posting, 2/17/2022):

 

"150 years ago in baseball: Chadwick advocating a loosening of the pitch delivery rules. This will happen, but the timing will be complicated, and a subject for another day. Today we look at Chad's argument.

His claim is that pitchers have been routinely violating the delivery rules since Creighton's day, over a decade earlier. He makes the argument that the rules should be brought into alignment with reality.

This argument is reasonable on its face, but very peculiar coming from Chadwick. First off, his discussion about the elbow and the wrist is partially off point. There was an ongoing discussion in cricket whether the wrist was involved in a "throw." The eventual consensus was that it is not, allowing for spin bowling. Baseball arrived at the same conclusion, and in fact had five years earlier. The 1867 rules added language defining what was a "throw," discussing the elbow but with no mention of the wrist. Chadwick was on the rules committee that recommended this, yet here he is writing as if he did not know the rule.

It gets worse. He argues that pitchers have been illegally throwing the ball for over a decade, but he never thought to mention this before this year, despite having the bully pulpit as the rules guy published in multiple venues, and the cricket background to understand the issue. And we have to figure that he was one of the two or three persons who heard Lillywhite's comment. This is,, so far as I know, the earliest mention of that comment, here thirteen years later (Chad having misremembered that the cricket visit was in 1859). Yet only know does he tell us about it.

What changed? This being Chad, he might had sat up in the middle of the night, turned to his wife, said "Gadzooks! They are throwing the ball!" and ran with it from there. This doesn't seem to match with any of his usual ideological priors. It seems pretty random. This might also seem like a trivial discussion of an obscure obsolete rule, but it in fact will be hugely important to the development the game, opening the door to modern overhand and curve ball pitching. More on this later." 

 

 

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