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Clipper Article Favors A Bare Alley Between Pitcher and Catcher
Salience | Noteworthy |
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Tags | Post-Knickerbocker Rule ChangesPost-Knickerbocker Rule Changes |
Location | Downstate NY StateDownstate NY State |
City/State/Country: | Newburgh, NY, United States |
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Sources | [A] NY Clipper, 7/21/1860. [B] See also Peter Morris, "Pitcher's Paths, "A Game of Inches (Ivan R. Dee, 2010), pp. 392-393: [Section 14.3.10.] |
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Comment | In December 2021, Tom Shieber asked: "I assume that this means that a groomed clay surface gave the barehanded catcher a better shot at stopping a bounced fast pitch than grass (which might cause skidding, bad hops etc.), a paramount defensive consideration in baseball 1860-style." But where did this habit come from? Members of the 19CBB list-serve responded. John Thorn thought the bare alley came from cricket, which prefers a true bounce for balls hitting the ground before reaching the wicket. Steve Katz noted that no rule is to be found on the practice in the 1860 NABBP rules, and that 1850's base ball played on cricket fields may have suited its players too. Matt Albertson pointed out that the alley was actually a base path for cricket, so that grass may have been worn away for the whole span. Steve Katz found a Rob Neyer comment from 2011, citing Peter Morris' 2010 edition of A Game of Inches (which -- now try not to get dizzy here -- credits Tom Shieber's find from the 1860 Clipper, evidently sent out by Tom earlier.)
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Do we know if and when baseball's rules mandated these "battery alleys?" Do we know when they were rescinded? (It is said that only Detroit and Arizona parks use then today.) Are there other explanations for this practice in 1860? Can we assume that the 1860 Clipper piece was written by Henry Chadwick? Edit with form to add a query |
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Submitted by | Tom Shieber, 12/7/2021 |
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