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<p>Can we find out more about the long, low wicket reportedly used in earliest forms of English cricket, and when the higher and narrower wicket evolved there?</p>
<p>Can we find out more about Silliman's life and his age when touring England? </p> +
<p>Can we find that <span>Clipper</span> report? Does the use of two backstops imply the continued application of tick-and-catch rules?</p> +
<p>Can we find the <em>Mercury</em> story and/or coverage in Bristol and Waterbury papers? Add page reference.</p> +
<p>Can we further specify the drawing and its creator?</p>
<p>Can we learn how baseball historians and others interpret this artwork?</p>
<p>Do we know why this drawing is dated to 1255?</p> +
<p>Can we identify the seminary with the rival club, and determine whether it has any record of early ballplaying?</p> +
<p>Can we imagine what "other machines" were employed to propel balls in the streets of Portland? <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Note:</span> Additional origins researchers' comments on the meaning or "other machines" is shown in <strong>Supplemental Text</strong>, below.</p> +
<p>Can we interpret the baserunning rule allowing "a pace or jump to the base [the runner] was striving to reach?" Plugging didn't count if the runner was close to the next base," perhaps?</p> +
T
<p>Can we learn more about touch-ball's rules and history?</p> +
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<p>Can we now determine when the these clubs formed, and details on their play and durability? Do we see ethnic clubs in other cities in the 1850s?</p> +
<p>Can we obtain a more precise estimate of when this card was made?</p>
<p>Can we determine whether the card was distributed in America or in England? </p> +
<p>Can we really assume that Galileo was familiar with 1600s stoolball and tennis? Is it possible that this excerpt reflects commentary by Salusbury, rather that strict translation from the Italian source?</p> +
<p>Can we specify any of the rules in older game played earlier in 1855 by the Excelsiors?</p> +
<p>Can we surmise that by using the term "old fashioned game," the newspaper is distinguishing it from the Knickerbocker game?</p> +
<p>Comment is welcome on the interpretation of the three cryptic rule descriptions for this 12-player game.</p>
<p>[1] "One knock and catch out?" Could this be taken to define one-out-side-out innings? Or, that ticks counted as outs if caught behind the batter? Or something else? <strong>Note: </strong>Richard Hershberger points out that 1OSO rules could not have likely allowed the scoring of 81 runs with no outs. That would imply that the clubs may have used the All-Out-Side-Out rule.</p>
<p>[2] "Each one out for himself?" Could batters continue in the batting order until retired? That too, then, might imply the use of an All-Out-Side-Out inning format</p>
<p>[3] "Each side one inns?" So the Whigs made those 81 "counts" in a single inning? </p>
<p>Richard Hershberger also surmises that the first two rules are meant to be conjoined: "One knock and catch out, each one out for himself." That would declare that [a] caught fly balls (and, possibly, caught one-bound hits?) were to be considered outs, and that [b] batters who are put out would lose their place in the batting order that inning; but were there any known variants games for which such catches would <strong>not</strong> be considered outs? </p> +
<p>Comments, research tips, speculation welcomed.</p>
<p>And . . . what is the game called "gould?"</p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Could gentle readers please enlighten Protoball on the nature and fate of "hook-em-snivy," in AL or the South or elsewhere? I asked Mister Google about the word, and he rather less helpfully and rather more cryptically than usual, said this: "My Quaker grandmother, born in Maryland in 1823, used [the word] in my hearing when she was about seventy years old. She said that it was a barbarism in use among common people and that we must forget it.</p> +
<p>Could some Illinoian help us better understand the early importance of town ball in that fine state? </p> +
<p>Curious if anyone knows of intercity games between black clubs prior to September 1862 and any thoughts on what claim this game might have as an earliest known. [John Zinn]</p> +
A
<p>Date ok?</p> +
1
<p>David Block, et al: Could Chadwick have believed that Two-Old-Cat was also the parent of British Rounders? The term was known over there before rounders was, no?</p>
<p>Page and pub site of the 1871 Manual?</p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Did Crapo leave behind autobiographical accounts that we could check for youthful ballplaying recollections? Do we find contemporary usage of the term "rounders" in this area?</p> +
B
<p>Did any of these games feature base-running? Batting? Has the last 65 years of scholarship added detail to this sweeping claim?</p> +
1
<p>Did the March 17 date hold up? Was it held in NYC?</p>
<p>Was St. Patrick's Day an extra special day in the 1870s?</p>
<p>Was Chadwick's departure a matter of controversy? Why?</p> +
<p>Did the Mutuals themselves claim the best 1870 record, or just the NABBP Championship, or what?</p> +
P
<p>Did the Potomac score 35 or 37 runs?</p> +
R
<p>Did the Rough and Ready club also play a form of base ball? [As of March 2022, Protoball lists 9 refs of Rough and Ready clubs in MA, mostly from South Walpole; none from Brookline. We have no other refs to a Aristonican club.]</p> +
C
<p>Did the league fold after this one year?</p>
<p>Is there some source in which such US and/or Canadian cricket leagues are displayed?</p> +
1
<p>Did this club form at a ladies' school, a secondary school, a finishing school? What was the age of the players?</p> +
P
<p>Did this game employ baserunning?</p> +
B
<p>Do British researchers agree that cricket-style bowling would be less effective as a hunting technique?</p>
<p>Do published comments on this paper add insights?</p> +
<p>Do contemporary archeologists and/or historians agree that such items were evidence of play? Have they since found older artifacts that may be associated with cat-like games, or ball games? Can they suggest any rules for such games... Batting? Running? Fielding? Team Play?</p> +
1
<p>Do modern scholars agree with the 1747 publication date?</p>
<p>Is it fair to assume that Gray is evoking student play at Eton in this ode?</p> +
R
<p>Do we have a date for the foundation of this club?</p> +
1
<p>Do we have any additional information on where in Brooklyn Pearce and his friends were playing the old-fashioned game in the 1850s?</p> +
<p>Do we have any other references to wicket in LA before 1844? Could the <em>Picayune </em>simply have copied an article from a distant newspaper.</p>
<p>Can we learn how broadly barn ball was played n the US? In other nations?</p> +
<p>Do we have evidence that the Eagle preferred, at least initially, a variant playing field? Or did the Eagle Club just assign this diagramming exercise to some Harvard person?</p>
<p>Is this image published in some recent source?</p> +
<p>Do we know how old the brothers were in 1787? Do we know where they might have become with wicket?</p>
<p>Three times of what? Is wicket known to have 3-out-side-out half-innings? I couldn't mean three strikes, right? Maybe three non-forward hits?</p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Do we know if this plan was carried out? How was the victor decided among participating towns?</p> +
E
<p>Do we know more about Eagle games after 1868? Our game data stops then. </p> +
1
<p>Do we know more about Thomas "Tim" Hall's role in early Boston base ball?</p>
<p>Do we know why the named English gentlemen had come to the US beforehand?</p>
<p>Do we know the names of Boston and Philly players planning to go?</p>
<p> </p> +
W
<p>Do we know more about this rule variant?</p>
<p>Was it deployed more broadly by AA players? By others?</p> +
1
<p>Do we know of other field days like this one in this early period? Can we guess who organized this one, and why? Do we know if the Knicks traveled to Brooklyn that day?</p> +
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<p>Do we know of speculation -- or evidence -- as to how this piggy-back ball game might have been played, and how it could have been made attractive to it players?</p> +
Z
<p>Do we know the Kelleher source?</p> +
1
<p>Do we know the location of these Regiments in May 1862? Who was Captain Cary writing to?</p>
<p>The 2nd MA and 3rd WI were at/near Harrisonburg, VA on May 3, 1862. This entry is based on the letters of Cary to his wife, at the MA Historical Society. [ba]</p> +
I
<p>Do we know what "long ball" was?</p> +
8
1
<p>Do we know what is meant by the note that Creighton "batted out of the pitcher's position?"</p>
<p>(In reply, John Thorn (email, 10/4/16) writes, "For a while batting orders were constructed by numbered position, so that the lineup would be pitcher, catcher, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF. But I speculate. . . .")</p> +
<p>Do we know what pitching distances were used in games played before 1854?</p>
<p>Is it seen as merely coincidental that the specifications of a base ball were so close to those of a cricket ball?</p> +
<p>Do we know whether and how Chadwick referenced foul territory prior to 1860?</p>
<p>Do we know of other prior usage of "foul lines"??</p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Do we now know any more about this event? Was it an intramural game? Was a six-player side common in Philadelphia town ball? Was a gold ring a typical prize for winning?</p> +
O
<p>Do we really only have three games for this historic clubs, which endured until 1887?</p> +
1
<p>Do we the role of the 30th in February 1864? </p>
<p>Are there any indications as to whether NY or MA or other game rules were employed?</p> +
D
<p>Do we think the club formed in April 1865 was the same group that formed in the 1850s? Given the intervening war, could it have been a separate undertaking?</p> +
1
<p>Do you have other interpretations of the game as depicted? </p>
<p>Could that object out near the tree be a baserunning post . . . or a even a wicket?</p> +
<p>Does Block link the two descriptions, or does the German text cite the French game</p> +
B
<p>Does recent scholarship agree that these were balls, were used in sport, and date to 2000 BC? Is there further evidence about their role in Egyptian life?</p> +
1
<p>Does the context of this excerpt reveal anything further about the region, circumstance, or participants in this ball-playing?</p> +
<p>Does the context of this passage clearly imply that girls played base ball? </p>
<p>Is the author suggesting that base ball was considered an "old-fashioned" pastime in 1821?</p>
<p>Where was <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Early Education</span> published?</p> +
<p>Does the final sentence imply that earlier games of ball had recently been played?</p> +
<p>Does the lineage from these two clubs to the Knickerbockers and Gothams (but not Magnolias) stem from common membership rolls?</p>
<p>Can we find additional sources on the two 1832 clubs? Do we have any notion of Wood's possible sources?</p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Does this item suggest that 'base ball' was a term used in Philadelphia in 1826? In Boston in 1826?</p>
<p>Was the Gymnasium actually established in Boston? Was ballplaying among its activities? <span>Was gymnastics seen in the Commons in the early years?</span></p>
<p><span>Isn't this ref a very early appearance of the term foot ball in the US? Can we learn what rules may have applied?</span> </p> +
<p>Does this manual cover other safe-haven games? Other batting games? Other games with plugging?</p> +
C
<p>Duplicate listing for the Knoxville club? Probably not, as the Knoxville Free Press, Sept. 4, 1867 mentions the Holston, Knoxville, City, Emmet and University BBCs. [ba]</p> +
1
B
<p>Duplicate with Bachelors Club of Newark?</p> +
1
<p>Feel free to throw more light on what Thoreau is saying here. </p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial Black;"> </span></p> +
H
<p>From the description ["cup?" "stick?"] it is difficult to picture how this game was played.</p>
<p>Where is Sheffield/Derbyshire?</p>
<p> </p> +
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<p>Further comment on this entry is welcome, especially from wicket devotees; after all, this may be the initial U.S. wicket citation in existence (assuming that #[[1700c.2]] cannot be documented, and that #[[1704.1]] above is not ever confirmed as wicket).</p> +
<p>Further commentary on the site and date of this remembered game are welcome.</p>
<p>Was the Ashtabula area well-settled by 1830?</p> +
K
<p>Further data on the game are welcome.</p>
<p>Is a game like this still practiced in Iceland?</p>
<p>What dats are associated with the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Younger Edda</span>?</p> +
1
<p>Has someone already analyzed the relative role of assorted papers in the first baseball boom?</p> +
B
<p>Has this game been observed in other North African communities since 1937? Are alternative explanations of Om El Mahag now offered, including a much more recent importation from cricket-playing and baseball-playing areas? </p> +
1
H
<p>Have broader searches for this game been tried?</p> +
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<p>Have other scholars commented on Mr. George's ballplaying interpretation of the Gilgamesh epic? </p> +
1
<p>Have scholars indicated the likely nature of "palm play?" Could it have involved the batting of a ball with the palm?</p> +
<p>Have we found any further indications that 1820-era establishments may have served to host regular base ball clubs?</p> +
<p>His anyone systematically tracked player salaries in he early pro years?</p>
<p>A: Baseball reference lists 13 players as being on the Athletics in 1871. Three of these played only 1 game. The standard roster of 10 players were paid an average of $1,500 apiece, per the article saying the players were paid $15,000 and change. [ba]</p> +
<p>If this game did not give us the first called strikes, when did such actually appear?</p> +
<p>In July 1868, Wright's "ground" was where?</p>
<p>Has someone recorded 'longest baseball throws' records somewhere?</p>
<p>And what else do we know about Johnny Hatfield?</p> +
<p>Is "bass" a ballgame, or was prisoner's base sometimes thought of as a "field game?"</p> +
<p>Is "stumpball" actually a known game? Have we done adequate searches for this name?</p> +
<p>Is Ewing's diary available now? Yes, on archive.org. See https://archive.org/details/georgeewinggentl00ewin/mode/2up?q=george+ewing+diary</p> +
<p>Is Protoball correct in thinking that the unnamed American's quote had appeared in an earlier "Yankee Pastimes" column in the <em>London</em> <em>Spectator</em>, and was then cited in the Sydney (Australia?) <em>Morning Herald </em>of April 11, 1867? <em> </em> </p> +
<p>Is Tom saying that there were no prior safe-haven ball games [cricket, town ball, wicket] out west, or just that the NY game hadn't arrived until 1849?</p> +
<p>Is c1858 a creditable guess as to when lads in the class of '62 might have begun playing at Exeter? Is a full view available online? Phillips Exeter is in Exeter NH, about 50 miles N of Boston and about 12 miles SW of Portsmouth.</p> +
S
<p>Is it clear from contemporary accounts that New York rules governed this game?</p> +
1
<p>Is it fair to assume that the gentleman used a bat to propel the ball? </p>
<p>Are such feats known in England?</p>
<p>Is a 160-foot weather-vane plausible? That's well over 10 stories, no?</p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Is it fair to suppose that the <em>Register</em> was published in Albany NY? There was a paper there of that name in the 1850s (per internet search of 11/2/2020).</p>
<p>Is wicket play by little boys known?</p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Is it likely that the New York rules would have produced this much scoring per inning . . . or was it set up as a two-inning contest? Can we confirm/disconfirm that this was the first Canadian game in some sense [keeping in mind that Beachville game report at #1838.4 above]?</p> +
<p>Is it obvious why a balk is in some way considered comparable to a "flagrant outrage?"</p>
<p>Was the balk known in earlier baserunning games in England, or elsewhere?</p>
<p>Do histories of cricket shed further light on the origin, nature, or rationale for, automatic batter-runner advances despite catches of balls hit when a "no ball" has been called?</p>
<p>Do we often see early rule variants for players of different ages?</p> +
<p>Is it possible that English rounders itself had evolved from English base ball as played in the eighteenth century?</p> +
<p>Is it possible that a collection of trophy balls, at the Hall of Fame or elsewhere, would provide more evidence of the prevalence of base ball in the Civil War?</p> +
<p>Is it possible that this entry reflects the 1796 report by Gutsmuths that English and German forms of base-ball coexisted? Protoball wonders if the 1837 book mistakenly dropped a word following the term "mit" (with). Gutsmuths called English game "ball "mit freystaten." The Protoball entry for Gutsmuths is at [[1796.1]]</p>
<p>Is there a way to locate the German-to-English version of this 1837 book?</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Is it possible that this is a fungo-style game? Is it possible that may other "plaing ball" references denote fungo games? </p>
<p>Do we know of any other fungo games in which more than a single bat is used?</p> +
<p>Is it possible that this source is the basis for the claim (see [[1550c.1]]) that the term cricket ("crekett") is not known prior to 1550?</p> +
C
<p>Is it possible, given the set team size of eleven players, that this game was actually played by the rules of cricket? [lm]</p> +
1
<p>Is it significant that this book features games for adolescents, not younger children?</p>
<p>Answer: the articles cited in the comment make clear that Grand Theque, at least, was played by adults as well as children. [ba]</p> +
<p>Is more known about Schubert's interest in ballplaying (if any)?</p>
<p>Do we know of baserunning games in the Vienna area in this era?</p> +
I
<p>Is the "newly-established" Wellington club" the NZ Pioneer Club?</p>
<p> </p> +
1
<p>Is the Homestall Lane ref meant to convey that the competing sides within the county are to be determined by a player's residence on one or the other of the lane? [See Block reply above.]</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p> +
<p>Is the Wiltshire County website's URL available? Is it still operative?</p>
<p>Is the original source of the data given?</p> +
B
<p>Is the history of this variant to be found somewhere?</p> +
1
<p>Is there a claim that this is the earliest appearance of the term "national pastime" to denote base ball?</p> +
<p>Is there a good account of this negotiation and its outcome in the literature? How and when was the issue resolved?</p> +
S
<p>Is there a recent publication that covers evidence concerning stoolball's earliest playing rules?</p> +
1
<p>Is there a way to check the approximate year that the historian is depicting in this passage? </p> +
K
Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York v Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York on 22 May 1856 +
<p>Is there ambiguity about whether this intramural game was played in Hoboken NJ or Manhattan NY? Did baseballchronology.com give a source for this game? Was it played at Elysian Fields?</p> +
1
<p>Is there any detailed indication, or educated guess, as to what rules the Olympics uses in 1854?</p> +
<p>Is there any indication that Association rules were used by the reported base bal club?</p> +
<p>Is there further evidence on the suggestion that evidence for Cartwright's base ball leadership was lost in a fire after his death? </p> +
H
<p>Is there further evidence that this game was actually played, or was it publicized mainly to sell equipment? What features does Hildegard have that contemporary stoolball lacked?</p>
<p>Do we know what years and what locations saw this game?</p> +
1
<p>Is this crowd estimate reasonable? Are other contemporary or reflective accounts available?</p>
<p>The crowd estimate is exaggerated. There weren't anywhere near 40,000 troops on the island at that time. [ba]</p> +
H
<p>Is this game known by other names other than those collected above?</p> +
1
O
<p>Is this game related to European forms of long ball?</p> +
1
<p>Is this item newsworthy because it is an early Providence ballclub, because it is a pioneering daybreak club, or neither?</p> +
A
<p>Is this just a one-time club?</p> +
C
<p>Is this the Granby Club of Neosho?</p> +
R
<p>Is this the club that played the Massapoag of Sharon in June 1857?</p> +
1
<p>Is this the first club established in CA since 1851? [Cf #1851.2, #1852.7, #1859.5]</p> +
<p>Is this the first known report of African American club play of the New York game?</p>
<p>See Supplemental Text, below, for John Zinn's view on this question. </p> +
<p>Is this the first time, as far as we know, that females played base ball by modern rules?</p> +
B
<p>It would be good to confirm details in an academic source and to see whether Egyptologists have any other interpretations of this text – and how Egyptian rites employed the ball as a symbol of fertility. </p> +
1
<p>It would be interesting to know how much velocity of deliveries increased with the change to overhand throwing. </p> +
<p>It would be interesting to know if this game included outs made by the plugging baserunners.</p> +
B
<p>It would be interesting to know what particular features of Irish lore gave Lang the feeling that cricket stemmed from ancient Irish sources.</p> +
1
<p>It would be useful to know when and where the author's youth was spent; Hugh points out that the clip's reference to "muster day" implies that writer is likely depicting New England practices. If the "father" was in his thirties [pure conjecture] he is here reflecting on bat and ball play from the 1800-1810 period.</p> +
<p>John Thorn interprets this phrase to denote two games, [[bat-ball]] and base-ball. Others just see it as a local variant of the term base-ball. Is the truth findable here? Note that Brian Turner, in <em>"The Bat and Ball": A Distinct Game or a Generic Term?,</em> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Base Ball</span>, volume 5, number 1, p. 37 ff, suggests that 'bat and ball" may have been a distinct game played in easternmost New England.</p> +
<p>MacDougall asks: "Mary Mitford seems to have a pretty good idea of what the girls are playing, when they play at 'baseball' but it seems to have little or nothing to do with the sport we now call by that name. Does anyone know what it was?"</p> +
<p>Might the <em>New England Base</em> <em>Ballist,</em> still alive in 1868, show more about the final passing on the game?<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><br/></span></p>
<p>All in all, does the Mass Game differ in major ways from English Base Ball as we now understand it?</p> +
M
<p>Monitor of Brooklyn? </p> +
R
1
<p>OK, was the game played a batting/baserunning game or a form of handball? Does the term "knocked" over the wall give any clue?</p> +
K
<p>One Polish writer (W. Liponski) suggests that kwadrant is similat to [[palant]]. Are details available?</p> +
1
<p>One wonders whether an earlier English edition of this book was later published; it is not online as of February 2013.</p> +
<p>Only two players were named for this account. Was that because the Prince and Lord Middlesex both led clubs not worthy of mentioning by name, or was there a two-player version of the game then (in the 1800s competitive games of cricket were similarly reported with only two named players)?</p> +
B
<p>Ottawa had 21,000 residents in 1871.</p> +
1
<p>Our holy grail! Our lost ark! Is there evidence that replies were received and analyzed?</p> +
<p>Protoball would welcome input on how the rules of this game differed, if at all, from other games using "cat" in their names.</p> +
<p>Richard asks: "I don't recognize the individuals. These clearly are men of substance, so I expect they can be tracked down. The mention of "the club" is intriguing. Is this an actual organized club, with or without baseball as its primary purpose? Or is that an informal usage?"</p>
<p>Abijah Ingraham was a newspaper editor and Dem Party politician. [ba[</p> +
<p>Rounders made a comeback later, at least as a school yard game played mostly be female players. Is it clear whether the game was played significantly among men and boys before 1857?</p> +
A
<p>Same as Arctic of East Brooklyn?</p> +
C
<p>Same as Columbia Club of East Brooklyn?</p> +
P
<p>Same as Pacific Jr. Club?</p> +
Z
<p>Same as Zephyr of Brooklyn and Little Zephyrs of Greenpoint?</p> +
1
A
<p>See also Aurora of South Brooklyn?</p> +
I
<p>See also Independent Club of Brooklyn and independent Base Ball Club of Brooklyn?</p> +
1
<p>Should we assume that the club still played the Massachusetts Game?</p>
<p>Is it significant that the batter is said to "throw" the bat, not that he lost his grip on it?</p> +
A
1
<p>Small Puzzle: Harvard's 19<sup>th</sup> Century playing field was "Holmes Field;" was it named for <em>this</em> Holmes? Harvard is in Cambridge MA.</p> +
<p>So . . . was this construed as the 1859 city crown, just a dyadic rivalry crown, an "until-we-lose-it crown, or what?</p> +
S
<p>Sources are needed on stickball play in 18th and 19th centuries, if any.</p>
<p>Was stickball (perhaps under other names?) played in other urban areas outside Greater NYC?</p> +
1
<p>Terry's initial diary entry April 4 entry begins "This morning I painted my stick: then thought I would begin to write a journal" just before recording his ballplaying. He adds that he later "went and see-sawed. and then I painted my stick again, then ate supper."</p>
<p>Is it possible that the stick was his base ball bat? Were painted bats common then?</p> +
<p>The 1858 Dedham rules (two years after this letter) for the Massachusetts Game specified at least ten players on a team. The writer does not call the game the "MA game," and does not mention the use of stakes as bases, or the one-out-all-out rule.</p> +
A
<p>The Baseball Research Journal Spring 1984 has a photo purportedly c. 1867, of baseball being played at Wesleyan. It is credited to the Rucker Collection.</p> +
1
<p>The Massapoag Club of Sharon MA fielded 10-14 players for its pre-war games, which were subject to Massachusetts rules. Why would the regimental history, 17 years later, refer to "nines"? </p> +
<p>The gentleman, Major Brown, lived in Pittsfield from 1812 to 1838. As the event seems to be the author's personal recollection, verifying if and when he attended the Lenox Academy may narrow the range of possibilities for the period he recalls playing.</p> +
<p>The game of dodgeball involves throwing a ball at other participants. Protoball is unclear whether that sort of game was common in the early 19th Century. Are many other cites for dodgeball? Did primitive dodgeball have other names?</p> +
D
<p>These ambiguous bits appear to be Protoball's only references to drive ball; can we find out more about the nature of its play?</p>
<p>Is there evidence that drive ball included base-running? [A] a description of the game in Smalley's Magazine (1891, vol. 9, issue 8, p. 10) says no. [ba]</p> +
1
<p>This game has similarity to base ball; could a French-speaking digger take a few moments to sort out whether more is known about the rules, origins, and fate of the game?</p> +
<p>This game has similarity to base ball; could a French-speaking digger take a few moments to sort out whether more is known about the rules, origins, and fate of the game?</p> +
<p>This is the first VT item on base ball in the Protoball files, as of November 2008; can that be so? Earlier items above [#178.6, #1787.2, #1828c.5, and #1849.9] all cite wicket or goal. </p> +
E
<p>This match apparently did not pit opposing cities as most have. Are many other cases of intra-city play known?</p> +
I
<p>This possibly refers to an early game of ball in Pennsylvania. The bat is referred to as a "ball-club." Other references of that time, however, refer to is as a bat. Also, being killed by a bat was seems not to have been a rarity at that time.</p> +
1
<p>This seems to have been a Philadelphia paper; why would it carry - or reprint - this central-MA story?</p> +
<p>This was Columbus, KY where several LA units were stationed. The newspaper article, from a correspondent's (named I.G.) letter dated Oct. 23, and mentions in particular Kennedy's Battalion (5th LA Infantry Battalion).</p> +
C
<p>Today Mount Bullion? See Mariposa.</p> +
A
<p>Two different teams?</p> +
L
F
<p>Was "Co. H" a military unit, perhaps?</p>
<p>Yes. [ba]</p> +
1
<p>Was 5-player base ball common then? Did it follow special rules? How do 4 fielders cover the whole field?</p> +
<p>Was a form of unpleasant "confusion" anticipated? Like what? Did the "sufficient force" imply that constables might be present to prevent a rumble?</p>
<p>Was this game given other newspaper coverage?</p>
<p>What do we know about where the "Tremont Street Mall" was? Was it not on Boston Common? [it is the Boston Common--ba]</p>
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H
<p>Was a pimple ball known to be used regularly in other locations for baserunning-type games? </p> +
1
<p>Was cricket, including single-wicket cricket, known in any part of England as "wicket?"</p> +
<p>Was inter-college competition common in other English sports at this time? Rowing, maybe?</p> +
E
<p>Was the Enterprise Club also a Junior Club?</p> +
1
<p>Was the game dissimilar from the European "battingball games" reported by Maigaard?</p>
<p>Can we determine whether the players were youths or juveniles?</p> +
<p>Was the is first ever meeting of this group? </p>
<p>Did it intend to represent base ball throughout California?</p>
<p>Had other states established state-wide base ball associations by 1871?</p>
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<p>Was the writer saying, in "so often the last" game, that base ball and/or foot ball was not played much after Fast Day?</p>
<p>Do we know what Boston-area foot ball like in 1855?</p> +
<p>Was this one of the first known uses of past base ball feats as fun trivia in base ball reportage?</p> +
N
<p>Was this the Jefferson Club that lost? See BRJ, vol. 34 p. 21.</p> +
1
<p>We have scant evidence that rouunders was played extensively in the US; could this book be derivative of an English pubication?</p>
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<p>:Apparently so: the copy on Google Books says "Third American Edition," and the Preface is intensely redolent of English patriotism (" the noble and truly English game of CRICKET... ARCHERY once the pride of England") [[User:Whicklin|Whicklin]] ([[User talk:Whicklin|talk]]) 04:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</p>
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<p>We invite further discussion on this point. The text of the Wheaton letter is found at entry #[[1837.1]] above.</p> +