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{{Chronology Entry | {{Chronology Entry | ||
|Year=1830 | |Year=1830 | ||
|Year Suffix= | |Year Suffix=s | ||
|Year Number=33 | |Year Number=33 | ||
|Headline=The Balk Rule Existed Before the 1845 Knick Rules? | |Headline=The Balk Rule Existed Before the 1845 Knick Rules? | ||
|Salience=2 | |Salience=2 | ||
|Tags=Antedated Firsts, Pre-modern Rules, | |Tags=Antedated Firsts, Pre-modern Rules, | ||
|Country=United States | |Country=United States | ||
|Coordinates=40.7127753, -74.0059728 | |Coordinates=40.7127753, -74.0059728 | ||
|State=NY | |State=NY | ||
|Immediacy of Report=Retrospective | |Immediacy of Report=Retrospective | ||
|Age of Players=Youth | |Age of Players=Youth, Juvenile | ||
|Text=<blockquote> | |Text=<blockquote> | ||
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|Sources=<p><em>Rondout Freeman ,</em><span> June 5, 1847:</span></p> | |Sources=<p><em>Rondout Freeman ,</em><span> June 5, 1847:</span></p> | ||
|Warning= | |Warning=<p>Dating this remembered practice to the 1830s is somewhat arbitrary, as the writer's age in 1847 is unknown. Locating the practice in NY State is also uncertain.</p> | ||
|Comment=<blockquote> | |Comment=<blockquote> | ||
<div><span>"Here is another early example of baseball terminology being used to illustrate a non-sports topic."</span></div> | <div><span>[] "Here is another early example of baseball terminology being used to illustrate a non-sports topic."</span></div> | ||
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<div><span>The text appeared in the June 5, 1847 issue of the <em>Roundout Freeman</em> (Roundout was a Hudson River community that has since been swallowed by the town of Kingston).</span></div> | <div><span>The text appeared in the June 5, 1847 issue of the <em>Roundout Freeman</em> (Roundout was a Hudson River community that has since been swallowed by the town of Kingston).</span></div> | ||
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<div><span><span>"I wrote in my book [R. Hershberger. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Strike Four,</span> Rowman and Littlefield, 2019, page 37] that the balk rule seemed to be novel to the 1845 Knickerbocker rules. Evidently not. While this is two years later, it also is from [nearly] a hundred miles away in Kingston, NY, and presented as a homespun saying from the writer's youth." -- Richard Hershberger, 19CBB posting, 12/9/2020</span></span></div> | <div><span><span>[] "I wrote in my book [R. Hershberger. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Strike Four,</span> Rowman and Littlefield, 2019, page 37] that the balk rule seemed to be novel to the 1845 Knickerbocker rules. Evidently not. While this is two years later, it also is from [nearly] a hundred miles away in Kingston, NY, and presented as a homespun saying from the writer's youth." -- Richard Hershberger, 19CBB posting, 12/9/2020</span></span></div> | ||
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<p>Added Local color: "Rondout has been since 1870, an unincorporated hamlet within the city of Kingston (where I lived for decade; it was called "Rondout" because of its adjoining Roundout Creek, which fed into the Hudson River). The <em>Rondout Freeman</em> in its first incarnation may have indeed lasted till 1847 (founded 1845):<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loc.gov/item/sn86071034/">https://www.loc.gov/item/sn86071034/</a>.</p> | <p>[] Added Local color: "Rondout has been since 1870, an unincorporated hamlet within the city of Kingston (where I lived for decade; it was called "Rondout" because of its adjoining Roundout Creek, which fed into the Hudson River). The <em>Rondout Freeman</em> in its first incarnation may have indeed lasted till 1847 (founded 1845):<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loc.gov/item/sn86071034/">https://www.loc.gov/item/sn86071034/</a>.</p> | ||
<p>"Hudson is a large city about 25 miles north of Kingston, on the other side of the Hudson River, in Columbia County. Today a bridge connects my hometown of Catskill (west bank) with Hudson (east bank). Taghkanic is the proper spelling of the tribe for whom today is named the Taconic Parkway." - John Thorn, email of 12/10/2020.</p> | <p>[] John Thorn, email of 1/31/2023: "This will testify to the antiquity of the balk rule and give a hint that is meant a feint." -- John Thorn, 1/31/2023</p> | ||
<p>[]"Hudson is a large city about 25 miles north of Kingston, on the other side of the Hudson River, in Columbia County. Today a bridge connects my hometown of Catskill (west bank) with Hudson (east bank). Taghkanic is the proper spelling of the tribe for whom today is named the Taconic Parkway." -- John Thorn, email of 12/10/2020.</p> | |||
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|Submitted by=David Block | |Submitted by=David Block | ||
|Submission Note=Submission to 19CBB list-serve, 11/12/2010 | |Submission Note=Submission to 19CBB list-serve, 11/12/2010 |
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Sources | Rondout Freeman , June 5, 1847: |
Warning | Dating this remembered practice to the 1830s is somewhat arbitrary, as the writer's age in 1847 is unknown. Locating the practice in NY State is also uncertain. |
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Is a balk rule known in cricket or English Base Ball? Or in any pre-1845 baserunning game? Protoball welcomes further comment on the possible origin of the balk rule. |
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Submitted by | David Block |
Submission Note | Submission to 19CBB list-serve, 11/12/2010 |
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