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  • 1755.3  + (<p>Block points out that this diary <p>Block points out that this diary entry is (as of 2008) among the first four appearances of the term "base ball," [see #1744.2 and #1748.1 above, and #1755.4 below].  It shows adult and mixed-gender play, and indicates that "at this time, baseball was more of a social phenomenon than a sporting one. . . . played for social entertainment rather than serious entertainment." [Ibid, page 9.]</p></br><p>William Bray is well known as a diarist and local historian in Surrey.  His diary, in manuscript, came to light in England during the 2008 filming of Ms Sam Marchiano's award-winning documentary, "Base Ball Discovered." (As of late 2020, ITunes lists this documentary at https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/base-ball-discovered/id385353782.  Its charge is $10.  Another route is <a href="https://www.mlb.com/video/base-ball-discovered-c7145607">https://www.mlb.com/video/base-ball-discovered-c7145607</a>)</p></br><p>As of 2019 the diary was missing again -- Block tells the sad story in <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Pastime Lost</span> (U Nebraska Press, 2019), p. 37.</p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p>p. 37.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p>)
  • 1749.2  + (<p>Block points out that this very e<p>Block points out that this very early reference to base-ball indicates that the game was played by adults -- the Prince was 38 years old in 1749, further weakening the view that English base-ball was played mainly by juveniles in its early history.</p></br><p>The location of the game was Walton-on-Thames in Surrey.</p></br><p> Comparing the 1749 game with modern baseball, Block estimates that the bass-ball was likely played on a smaller scale, with a much softer ball, with batted ball propelled the players' hands, not with a bat, and that runners could be put out by being "plugged" (hit with a thrown  ball) between bases.</p></br><p> </p>ith a thrown  ball) between bases.</p> <p> </p>)
  • Havana Base Ball Club  + (<p>Bob Tholkes found an item in the Washington (DC) Evening Star, Sept.10, 1867: "The Havana base ball club challenged and played its first match with the Matanzas club on Sunday last, but with no result. Another game is to come off there to-day."</p>)
  • Matanzas Base Ball Club  + (<p>Bob Tholkes found an item in the Washington (DC) Evening Star, Sept.10, 1867: "The Havana base ball club challenged and played its first match with the Matanzas club on Sunday last, but with no result. Another game is to come off there to-day."</p>)
  • In Alexandria in 1842  + (<p>Bob Tholkes wonders: Is "town ball" the southern name for "base ball?"</p>)
  • 1869.13  + (<p>Bob Tholkes' thorough 2016 paper <p>Bob Tholkes' thorough 2016 paper [cited above] throws welcome light on the nature of elite base ball in period immediately following the Civil War, a period also associated with the rise of "Base Ball Fever" during which local clubs, representing individual companies, affinity groups, etc., formed clubs, some of which playing at sunrise [as early as five o'clock AM], prior to the work day. </p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p> day. </p> <p> </p> <p> </p>)
  • 1867.25  + (<p>Bob Tholkes, 5/6/2021:  "<span<p>Bob Tholkes, 5/6/2021:  "<span>Didn't know there was a funeral announcement."</span></p></br><p><span>Richard Hershberger, 5/6/2021: "<span>I don't know of any report of the association meeting or otherwise showing any sign of life after the war."</span></span></p></br><p><span><span>In a 5/9/2021 search, Protoball doesn't find one after 1866 either.</span></span></p></br><p><span><span>Note: Protoball has an 1868 clipping of a throwback game (28 innings, score 24-23) played by Mass rules.  See https://protoball.org/Clipping:The_Mohawk_Club_reverts_to_amateur.</span></span></p></br><p><span> </span></p>3) played by Mass rules.  See https://protoball.org/Clipping:The_Mohawk_Club_reverts_to_amateur.</span></span></p> <p><span> </span></p>)
  • 1860.38  + (<p>Box score provided; it is consistent with the National Association rules. Assuming that "Alleghany" is an alternative spelling for "Allegheny," this game occurred in a town absorbed into Pittsburgh PA in 1907.</p>)
  • Charter Oak Club of Jersey City2  + (<p>Box scores confirm this is a white club. Different from the other Charter Oak Club.</p>)
  • Active Club of Brooklyn  + (<p>Box scores of the Active Jr. against the Washington Market BBC (undated) can be found in <em>National Chronicle</em>, April 17, 1869 </p>)
  • 1621.1  + (<p>Bradford explained that the issue<p>Bradford explained that the issue was not that ball-playing was sinful, but that playing openly while others worked was not good for morale.</p></br><p><strong>Note:</strong> From scrutinizing early reports of stoolball, Protoball does not find convincing evidence that it was a base-running game by the 1600s.</p>nvincing evidence that it was a base-running game by the 1600s.</p>)
  • 1762.2  + (<p>Brian Turner, 8/31/2014, notes that the wording of this order could be taken to mean that the game itself was seen as a form of cricket, and was not a distinct game. </p>)
  • 1851.10  + (<p>British sailors played rounders on the ice in Melville Bay, Greenland, Aug. 20, 1857. See Lloyd, "The Voyage of the Fox in the Arctic Seas"</p>)
  • Savannah Base Ball Club  + (<p>Bruce Allardice adds this note on<p>Bruce Allardice adds this note on the social makeup of the Savannah BBC [19CBB posting of 2/5/2016]:</p></br><p> </p></br><p>"George G. Kimball was born in 1843 in ME, died 1923, attended Bowdoin (ME) College. Journalist.</p></br><p>William Forrestal May (1845-1920) was born in CT.</p></br><p>“Flanders”–only Flanders in 1870 Savannah a mulatto.</p></br><p>Edwin L. Beard was born in NY c. 1840.</p></br><p>Peter S. Neidlinger (1853-97) a clerk who was born in Savannah of German immigrants.</p></br><p>Peter Schaefer (1841-1902) was born in Germany.</p></br><p>Charles Rossignol (born c 1850) was born in GA, as was William Nungezer Nichols (1852-1930)</p></br><p>Frank Wagner Dasher (1852-88) was born in GA, of NY parents.</p></br><p>From the above, it’s pretty clear that the team was not highly gentrified but was at least half transplants."</p>rents.</p> <p>From the above, it’s pretty clear that the team was not highly gentrified but was at least half transplants."</p>)
  • Clipping:Traditional Easter Ballplaying . . . Where Fast Day Play was Born?  + (<p>Bruce Allardice notes that "town corporation" was a British term for what we would call a city council. </p>)
  • Clipping:An interracial game  + (<p>Brunson, "Black Baseball" says this Albion Club organized in 1868, but presents no cite prior to 1872. [ba]</p>)
  • 1850s.49  + (<p>Buckland is about 45 miles north <p>Buckland is about 45 miles north of Portland.</p></br><p>The ages of players is not clear.</p></br><p>As of Jan 2013, this is one of three uses of "gool" instead of "goal" in ballplaying entries, all in the 1850s and found in western MA and ME.  [To confirm/update, do an enhanced search for "gool".]  One of these [[1850s.33]] uses "gool" as the name of the game.</p>1850s.33]] uses "gool" as the name of the game.</p>)
  • In Buffalo in 1856  + (<p>Buffalo Evening Post, April 4, 1851 ran an ad about a meeting to form a cricket club. </p> <p>Same July 15, 1856 mentions a proposed Albion Cricket Club. Same club as the Amateur?</p>)
  • 1844.18  + (<p>By "plebeian," the writer presumably meant "not upper-class."</p>)
  • 1860.83  + (<p>By 1860, most Massachusetts Rules games were being played to 75 runs, instead of the 100 specified in the rules adopted in 1858. A match for the state championship was abandoned, unfinished, after four days' play.</p>)
  • Hansong YMCA Team Club of Seoul  + (<p>By 1920 there was a Korea baseball championship. See www.projectcobb.org.uk</p>)
  • Lawrence Base Ball Club of Cambridge  + (<p>Cambridge had 26,060 residents in 1860.</p>)
  • 1864.18  + (<p>Camp Sedgwick was in northern VA. FORT Sedgwick was near Petersburg, and not built after the Battle of the Wilderness. [ba]</p>)
  • 1861.19  + (<p>Camp Seminary was located near Fairfax Seminary in Alexandria VA, near Washington DC. </p> <p>One may infer that the 2<sup>nd</sup> NJ remained at winter quarters in Alexandria VA at this time, providing protection to Washington. </p>)
  • Sacramento Base Ball Club v Union Club of Sacramento on 22 February 1860  + (<p>Can we determine Spalding's sources for this account?  Is the game account clear that New York rules were used?</p>)
  • Red Rover Base Ball Club of San Francisco  + (<p>Can we discover more about this club's foundation, history, and fate? </p>)
  • 1857.30  + (<p>Cannot confirm this source. The rules described appeared in the <em>New York Clipper, </em>October 10, 1857.</p>)
  • 1844.16  + (<p>Canton, NY is about 15 miles SE o<p>Canton, NY is about 15 miles SE of Ogdensburg NY.  Its population in 2000 was a bit over 10,000.</p></br><p>Ogdensburg [1853 population "about 6500"] is about 60 miles [NE] down the St. Lawrence River from Lake Ontario.  It is about 60 miles south of Ottawa, about 120 miles north of Syracuse, and about 125 miles SW (upriver) of Montreal.</p>miles SW (upriver) of Montreal.</p>)
  • Whitney  + (<p>Catcher</p>)
  • Flour City Club of Rochester v Niagara Club of Buffalo on 3 September 1858  + (<p>Caution: Protoball has them playing in Buffalo that day, with a different score.</p>)
  • Bonafon  + (<p>Center Field. Also spelled "Bonaf<p>Center Field. Also spelled "Bonaffon" and "Bonnaffon" in other sources. The Nashville City Directory lists "FV Bonnaffin" as a clerk for the quartermaster at a railroad depot. In 1867, "F.V. Bonnaffon" was stationed under the Nashville quartermaster in Kentucky.</p>der the Nashville quartermaster in Kentucky.</p>)
  • Marion Club of Brooklyn  + (<p>Cf Marion Base Ball Club of South Brooklyn. [ba]</p>)
  • 1860.6  + (<p>Chadwick emigrated from western E<p>Chadwick emigrated from western England, and is reported to have been familiar with rounders there.</p></br><p>His claim that American base ball had evolved from English rounders was long refuted by fans of the American game.</p></br><p>In 1871 Chadwick identified Two-Old-Cat as the parent of American base ball.  See [[1871.20]] </p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p>[1871.20]] </p> <p> </p> <p> </p>)
  • Was Baseball Really Invented in Maine?  + (<p>Chapter 1 deals with baseball in Maine from statehood well into the 20th century and he does tie some of the early stories to newspaper documentation.</p>)
  • When Towns Had Teams  + (<p>Chapters 1 and 2 deal with early Maine baseball.</p>)
  • Chatham Club of Chatham  + (<p>Chatham was known as "Chatham Four Corners" until 1869.</p>)
  • Chicopee Club of Groton v Riverside Base Ball Club of Nashua on 19 June 1869  + (<p>Chicopee of Groton (Senior club)</p> <p>Riverside of Nashua (Junior club)</p>)
  • 1859.6  + (<p>Chris Hauser, in an email on 9/26/2007, estimates that this notice appeared in the <em>New York Anglo-African</em>, and was referenced in Leslie Heaphy's <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Negro League Baseball.</span></p>)
  • 1840.16  + (<p>Chron serial#1840.16 was formerly assigned to stories of Abe Lincoln's ballplaying as a young man; see #[[1830s.16]] for that item.</p>)
  • 1859.19  + (<p>Cilley himself does not attribute the 1859 injuries to plugging.</p>)
  • Town Ball in Newport on 31 August 1858  + (<p>Cincinnati Penny Press, Aug. 31, <p>Cincinnati Penny Press, Aug. 31, 1859 says this game was played on the 30th, by members of the KY TBC of Newport and the Excelsior TBC of Cincinnati, the players playing as mixed sides.</p></br><p>The KY TBC is mentioned as playing in same, June 25, Sept. 17, Oct. 22, 1859; Cincinnati Daily Press, May 5, Sept. 21, 22, 1860</p> 1859; Cincinnati Daily Press, May 5, Sept. 21, 22, 1860</p>)
  • Olympic Club of Claremont  + (<p>Claremont is a neighborhood in Jersey City.</p>)
  • 1857.17  + (<p>Clark then cites "a well-traveled<p>Clark then cites "a well-traveled myth in the American baseball community . . . that the first baseball played in Australia was by Americans on the gold fields of Ballarat in 1857 . . . . No documentation has ever been produced for a Ballarat gold fields game [also page 5]."</p> a Ballarat gold fields game [also page 5]."</p>)
  • In Clarksburg Circa 1850  + (<p>Clarksburg had 895 residents in 1860.</p>)
  • 1823c.9  + (<p>Clay's book, which seems to make no other reference to ball-playing, was accessed 11/15/2008 via a Google Books search for <life of cassius>.</p>)
  • 1863.48  + (<p>Clipper article says it was played to 75 runs, implying a MA rules game. [ba]</p>)
  • Club of Fox Lake, WI v Club of Courtland on 4 June 1859  + (<p>Club is of Fox Lake, WI not IL</p>)
  • Osceola Club of Brooklyn v Oriental Club of Williamsburg on 19 November 1857  + (<p>Club more commonly labeled Oriental of Brooklyn</p>)
  • Excelsior Club of Ridgewood  + (<p>Club was formed about 7/1/1865</p>)
  • Riverside Club of Nashua  + (<p>Club was organized October 1867, and reorganized March 11, 1868.</p>)