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|Year=1859
|Year=1859
|Year Number=2
|Year Number=2
|Headline=Elusive  Intercollegiate Game [the First Played by NY Rules] Pits Xavier and Fordham
|Headline=Collegiate Game [the First Played by NY Rules?] in NYC
|Salience=1
|Salience=2
|Tags=College,  
|Tags=College,  
|Location=NYC
|Location=Greater New York City
|Country=United States
|State=NY
|City=NYC
|Game=Base Ball,
|Immediacy of Report=Contemporary
|Age of Players=Youth
|Age of Players=Youth
|Text=<p>Fordham College reportedly played a game against Xavier College in 1859, using the new Association rules.</p>
|Text=<p>Students at St. John's College [now Fordham College]&nbsp;played a game against St. Francis Xavier's College on Nov. 3, 1859, using the new Association rules.&nbsp;The teams apparently were not regarded as representing their schools, but were base ball clubs formed from among students, and were called the Rose Hill BBC (Fordham) and the Social BBC (St. Xavier's College).</p>
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|Sources=<p>Per Dean A. Sullivan, Compiler and Editor, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Early Innings: A Documentary History of Baseball, 1825-1908</span> [University of Nebraska Press, 1995], p. 32. Sullivan dates the game November 3, 1859, but does not give a source.</p>
|Sources=<p>Per Dean A. Sullivan, Compiler and Editor, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Early Innings: A Documentary History of Baseball, 1825-1908</span> [University of Nebraska Press, 1995], p. 32. Sullivan dates the game November 3, 1859, but does not give a source.</p>
|Warning=<p>Craig Waff [email of May 21, 2009] reported that he has not been able to confirm this game, and that press material from Fordham does not document the game.</p>
<p><em>New York Sunday Mercury,&nbsp;</em>Nov. 13, 1859, p. 3, carried the result and a box score showing a 33-11 victory for St. John's.</p>
<p>SABR's Baseball Index [TBI] cites a Fordham game in the June 16 1860 <em>Clipper</em>.</p>
|Warning=<p>It is not clear whether this qualifies as the first intercollegiate game by modern rules.</p>
|Comment=<p>The Xavier College in this story is presumably College of St. Francis Xavier, a Mahattan institution that closed in 1913.</p>
|Comment=<p>The St. Francis Xavier's College in this story is presumably College of St. Francis Xavier, a Mahattan institution that closed in 1913.</p>
|Query=<p>Does this 1860 <em>Clipper </em>account, once it can be&nbsp;located, report on the 1859 game?</p>
<p>Brian McKenna, on 11/8/2015, reports that St. Francis was a college preparatory high school, and suggests that the St. John's side used high school players&nbsp;too. &nbsp;</p>
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|Submitted by=Brian McKenna
|Submission Note=Supplemental information, received 11/8/2014
|Reviewed=Yes
|Reviewed=Yes
|Has Supplemental Text=No
|Has Supplemental Text=No
|Coordinates=40.7127837, -74.0059413
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Collegiate Game [the First Played by NY Rules?] in NYC

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Location Greater New York City
City/State/Country: NYC, NY, United States
Game Base Ball
Immediacy of Report Contemporary
Age of Players Youth
Text

Students at St. John's College [now Fordham College] played a game against St. Francis Xavier's College on Nov. 3, 1859, using the new Association rules. The teams apparently were not regarded as representing their schools, but were base ball clubs formed from among students, and were called the Rose Hill BBC (Fordham) and the Social BBC (St. Xavier's College).

 

Sources

Per Dean A. Sullivan, Compiler and Editor, Early Innings: A Documentary History of Baseball, 1825-1908 [University of Nebraska Press, 1995], p. 32. Sullivan dates the game November 3, 1859, but does not give a source.

New York Sunday Mercury, Nov. 13, 1859, p. 3, carried the result and a box score showing a 33-11 victory for St. John's.

Warning

It is not clear whether this qualifies as the first intercollegiate game by modern rules.

Comment

The St. Francis Xavier's College in this story is presumably College of St. Francis Xavier, a Mahattan institution that closed in 1913.

Brian McKenna, on 11/8/2015, reports that St. Francis was a college preparatory high school, and suggests that the St. John's side used high school players too.  

 

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