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|Year=1852
|Year Number=2
|Headline=Lit Magazine Cites "Roaring" Game of "Bat and Base-ball"
|Headline=Lit Magazine Cites "Roaring" Game of "Bat and Base-ball"
|Year=1852
|Salience=2
|Salience=2
|Game=Base Ball
|Country=United States
|Text=<p><u>Southern Literary Messenger</u>, volume 18, number 2, February 1852, page 96, per David Block, <u>Baseball Before We Knew It</u>, page 214.  The fifth stanza of the poem "Morning Musings on an Old School-Stile" reads: "How they poured the soul of gay and joyous boyhood/ Into roaring games of marbles, bat and base-bal!/ Thinking that the world was only made to play in, -/ Made for jolly boys, tossing, throwing balls! Also submitted by David Ball, 6/4/2006. <b>Note:</b> John Thorn interprets this phrase to denote two games, bat-ball and base-ball. Others just see it as a local variant for base-ball. Is the truth findable here?</p>
|Game=Base Ball, Bat-Ball
|Immediacy of Report=Retrospective
|Age of Players=Juvenile
|Text=<p>The fifth stanza of the poem "Morning Musings on an Old School-Stile" reads: "How they poured the soul of gay and joyous boyhood/ Into roaring games of marbles, <strong>bat and base-ball</strong>!/ Thinking that the world was only made to play in, -/ Made for jolly boys, tossing, throwing balls!&nbsp;</p>
|Sources=<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Southern Literary Messenger</span>, volume 18, number 2, February 1852, page 96, per David Block, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baseball Before We Knew It</span>, page 214.</p>
|Query=<p>John Thorn interprets this phrase to denote two games, [[bat-ball]] and base-ball. Others just see it as a local variant&nbsp;of the term base-ball. Is the truth findable here?&nbsp; Note that Brian Turner, in <em>"The Bat and Ball": A Distinct Game or a Generic Term?,</em>&nbsp;<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Base Ball</span>, volume 5, number 1, p. 37 ff,&nbsp;suggests that 'bat and ball" may have been a distinct game played in easternmost New England.</p>
|Submitted by=John Thorn, David Ball
|Submission Note=2/10/2008. 6/4/2006.
|Reviewed=Yes
|Has Supplemental Text=No
|Coordinates=37.09024, -95.712891
}}
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Lit Magazine Cites "Roaring" Game of "Bat and Base-ball"

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The fifth stanza of the poem "Morning Musings on an Old School-Stile" reads: "How they poured the soul of gay and joyous boyhood/ Into roaring games of marbles, bat and base-ball!/ Thinking that the world was only made to play in, -/ Made for jolly boys, tossing, throwing balls! 

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Southern Literary Messenger, volume 18, number 2, February 1852, page 96, per David Block, Baseball Before We Knew It, page 214.

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John Thorn interprets this phrase to denote two games, bat-ball and base-ball. Others just see it as a local variant of the term base-ball. Is the truth findable here?  Note that Brian Turner, in "The Bat and Ball": A Distinct Game or a Generic Term?, Base Ball, volume 5, number 1, p. 37 ff, suggests that 'bat and ball" may have been a distinct game played in easternmost New England.

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Submitted by John Thorn, David Ball
Submission Note 2/10/2008. 6/4/2006.



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