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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">“Then there was “wicket-ball,” as we called it in the part of the country where I lived. In this game, two sticks, some five or six feet long, were laid on some little blocks near the ground, and the ball, which was a large one, was rolled on the ground, and the one that rolled it tried to knock off this stick, while the one that was in and had the bat or club, was to strike the ball and not let it knock the stick off. If the stick was struck off, then the one knocker was “out.” Or if he hit the ball and raised it in the air, and any one on the other side caught it, he was “out.” I find that ball-playing changes some, and is different in different parts of the country, but it was a very wide-awake sport, and there was no game in which I took more delight. On ‘Lection-day, as it was called, of which I have spoken before, all the boys and young men, and even men who were older, thought they must play ball. On town-meeting days and training days, this game was almost always going on.”</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Allowingforthesomewhat“in</del>-my-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">day”tone</del>,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">therearefewinterestingitemsinthispassage</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Notetheunusualspellingoftwooldcatortwoo’cat</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Wastheresomeactionofholdingtheball</del>,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">holdingthebat</del>,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">holdingtherunnerthatinspiredtheuseoftheword“hold</del>?<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">”Theinitialclaimthatballplaywasmorepopularinhisyouthisatfirstahead</del>-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">scratchergiventhesurgeofpopularityofbaseballinthe1850sand1860s</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Butwhatifhereckoningwasaccurate</del>,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ifonlyforhispartofNewEngland</del>?<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Thatwouldbeinterestingevidenceforbaseballhistorianstryingtomeasurethetrajectoryofthegame’sdevelopment</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Didwhathecalled“base</del>-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ball”moreresembletown</del>-ball,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ordidtheword“base</del>-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ball”haveawidercurrencythatwehavesuspected</del>?<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Thedescriptionofwicket</del>-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ballseemsslightlyaskewfromotheraccounts</del>--<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">regionalvariationormemorylapse</del>?<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Last</del>,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">thecivicholidaysthatballplayaccompaniedwerenotalwaysinclementseasons</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Trainingdaystendedtobeduringmilderorhotweather</del>,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">buttownmeetingandelectiondaysoftenoccurredinMarchandNovember</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Theauthor’spointsabouttheimportanceofballplaymaybestrongerthanatfirstglance</del>,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">iftheplayersdidnotlettheprospectoffoulweatherdiscouragetheirzeal</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Allowing for the somewhat “in</ins>-my-<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">day” tone</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">there are a few interesting items in this passage</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Note the unusual spelling of two old cat or two o’cat</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Was there some action of holding the ball</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">holding the bat</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">holding the runner that inspired the use of the word “hold</ins>?<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">” The initial claim that ball play was more popular in his youth is at first a head</ins>-<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">scratcher given the surge of popularity of baseball in the1850s and 1860s</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”</div></td></tr>
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A New Find from Tom Altherr (In the January 2013 ''NDPost)''<br />
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Inacharming1867volume,WinnieandWalter’sTalkswithTheirFatheraboutOldTimes,Times(Boston:J.E.TiltonandCompany,1867[1860]),pp.54-56),thefatherdeliveredanextendeddisquisitionaboutballgamesinhisyouthinNewEngland.Thatwasdefinitelybefore1840andmorelikelyinthe1820s,orthe1830satthelatest.(Thebookhadan1860copyrightregistration,sotheauthorpenneditinthatyearorinthe1850s).Thedetailofthisrecountingmeritsfullexcerpting:“IthinktheboysusedtoplayballmorewhenIwasyoungthantheydonow.Itwasagreatgameatthattime,notonlyamongtheboys,butwithgrown-uppeople.Iknowthatplayingballisgettingintofashionagain,butIdon’tthinkitisascommonevenyetasitusedtobe.Wehad,Iremember,agoodmanydifferentkindsofball.Therewas“barn-ball,”whentherewereonlytwoboystoplay,onetothrowtheballagainstthebarnandmakeitboundback,andtheothertostrikeatitwithhisclub.Thentherewas“two-hold-cat,”whentherewerefourboys,twotobeinandknock,andtwotothrow.Thentherewas“base-ball,”whentherewereagoodmanytoplay.Inbase-ballwechosesides,andwemighthaveasmanyaswepleasedoneachside--fiveorfifty,oranyothernumber.“Thentherewas“wicket-ball,”aswecalleditinthepartofthecountrywhereIlived.Inthisgame,twosticks,somefiveorsixfeetlong,werelaidonsomelittleblocksneartheground,andtheball,whichwasalargeone,wasrolledontheground,andtheonethatrolledittriedtoknockoffthisstick,whiletheonethatwasinandhadthebatorclub,wastostriketheballandnotletitknockthestickoff.Ifthestickwasstruckoff,thentheoneknockerwas“out.”Orifhehittheballandraiseditintheair,andanyoneontheothersidecaughtit,hewas“out.”Ifindthatball-playingchangessome,andisdifferentindifferentpartsofthecountry,butitwasaverywide-awakesport,andtherewasnogameinwhichItookmoredelight.On‘Lection-day,asitwascalled,ofwhichIhavespokenbefore,alltheboysandyoungmen,andevenmenwhowereolder,thoughttheymustplayball.Ontown-meetingdaysandtrainingdays,thisgamewasalmostalwaysgoingon.”<br />
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Allowingforthesomewhat“in-my-day”tone,therearefewinterestingitemsinthispassage.Notetheunusualspellingoftwooldcatortwoo’cat.Wastheresomeactionofholdingtheball,holdingthebat,holdingtherunnerthatinspiredtheuseoftheword“hold?”Theinitialclaimthatballplaywasmorepopularinhisyouthisatfirstahead-scratchergiventhesurgeofpopularityofbaseballinthe1850sand1860s.Butwhatifhereckoningwasaccurate,ifonlyforhispartofNewEngland?Thatwouldbeinterestingevidenceforbaseballhistorianstryingtomeasurethetrajectoryofthegame’sdevelopment.Didwhathecalled“base-ball”moreresembletown-ball,ordidtheword“base-ball”haveawidercurrencythatwehavesuspected?Thedescriptionofwicket-ballseemsslightlyaskewfromotheraccounts--regionalvariationormemorylapse?Last,thecivicholidaysthatballplayaccompaniedwerenotalwaysinclementseasons.Trainingdaystendedtobeduringmilderorhotweather,buttownmeetingandelectiondaysoftenoccurredinMarchandNovember.Theauthor’spointsabouttheimportanceofballplaymaybestrongerthanatfirstglance,iftheplayersdidnotlettheprospectoffoulweatherdiscouragetheirzeal.</div>
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